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Ali Baker and a guest discuss children’s fantasy fiction. The guest chooses a favourite for Ali, and Ali chooses a complementing contemporary book. Jokes and the occasional swear word may ensue. Please contact https://www.instagram.com/fantasy_book_swap_podcast/, @alisonbaker01 on BlueSky or https://www.facebook.com/Fantasybookswap. Ask questions, make comments and join in the discussion!
Episodes

Thursday Sep 11, 2025
Ep. 49: When magic isn't a metaphor with Robert Berg
Thursday Sep 11, 2025
Thursday Sep 11, 2025
Robert's choice: The Marvellous Land of Oz by L. Frank Baum
Ali's choice: Wynd book 1: The Flight of the Prince by James Tynion IV and Michael Dialnyas
Robert is 1/4 of wonderful Bona Books! The Wrath Month kickstarter is still open for stretch goals backing.
Return to Oz (1985) trainer here: relive your childhood trauma!
I still can't find the Arena documentary, but here is a PBS one
Robert's favourite Oz retelling is Wicked by Gregory Maguire
Mine is Was by Geoff Ryman
Pride is a wonderful film about solidarity and intersectional identity
For other episodes on "race/ ethnicity" in fantasy, check out this episode with Russell Smith; for queerness in fantasy, this one with Juliet Kemp.
Follow Rob on Bluesky and Instagram
Follow me on Instagram for gorgeous images from Wynd and more!

Friday Aug 22, 2025
Ep 48: The anti-authoritarian politics of naughtiness with Sandra Bond
Friday Aug 22, 2025
Friday Aug 22, 2025
Ep 48 Shownotes
Sandra’s book: The Wind on the Moon by Eric Linklater
Ali’s book: The Wild Robot by Peter Brown. It’s also a film
The Politics of Fantasy by Brian Attebury
Catherine Crumb on her bicycle
Nicolas Bentley’s illustrations
Rudyard Kipling’s Just-So Stories
Murderbot by Martha Wells. It’s also a TV series
Sandra is not a dog groomer from the US
Thanks as always to Steve Vapour Trails for production support. Why not go and give his radio show a listen?

Sunday Jul 27, 2025
Ep 47: Worldbuilding Britain in historical fiction
Sunday Jul 27, 2025
Sunday Jul 27, 2025
Caroline's choice: Dawn Wind by Rosemary Sutcliff
Ali's choice (first read in 2022, not 2002!): The Short Knife by Elen Caldecott.
Some books where a “commoner” becomes a prince:
The Prince and the Pauper by Mark Twain
The Prisoner of Zenda and Rupert of Hentzau by Anthony Hope
The Lost Prince by Frances Hodgson Burnett
The Horse and his Boy by C. S. Lewis
Caroline’s Rosemary Sutcliff books
Elen Caldecott’s website and Leaf, the journal of writing for young people
Caroline’s fan writing Reflections in the Shards edited by Claire Brialey and Mark Plummer
Thanks as always to Steve Vapour Trails for production support. Why not go and give his radio show a listen?

Tuesday Jul 01, 2025
Episode 46: In Space, nobody provides childcare
Tuesday Jul 01, 2025
Tuesday Jul 01, 2025
Jim’s book (with Twilight-style cover); with Alison Moyet cover
Alfred Bester: The Stars my Destination
There are two sequels to War of the Worlds: the straight to DVD adaptation and Stephen Baxter’s The Massacre of Mankind
Material Girls podcast episode discussing Romantasy
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles trailer. This is what the first couple of chapters of Phoenix is like. It doesn’t end up like this.
Jim’s website, Worrad Enterprises
Thanks as always to Steve Vapour Trails, Jack Sadler-Johnson and Danny!

Monday Jun 16, 2025
Episode 45: Rainy season at the Hotel Romero
Monday Jun 16, 2025
Monday Jun 16, 2025
Kylie Ding’s choice: The Rains of Eridan by H.M. Hoover
Ali’s choice: The Zombie Project by Alice Nuttall
The Hugo and Lodestar finalists
Other books for children with adult protagonists (off the top of my head!):
Professor Branestawm by Norman Hunter
Mrs Armitage on Wheels by Quentin Blake

Monday May 19, 2025
Ep 44: Horses and curses and home, but not at home
Monday May 19, 2025
Monday May 19, 2025

Saturday May 03, 2025
Ep 43: Uncontextual pineapple with Catriona Silvey
Saturday May 03, 2025
Saturday May 03, 2025
Recorded live at EasterCon in Belfast at 9:30am on Easter Sunday! Please forgive my wheeziness; I was coming down with a chest infection.
Catriona’s choice: The Silver Crown by Robert C. O’ Brien
Ali’s choice: Dread Wood by Jennifer Killick
We discuss Robert C. O’ Brien’s better-known books, Z for Zachariah and Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH. You may like to listen to the episode The Anti- Reepicheep League with Ang Rosin about Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH and The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents here.
We also mention The Demon Headmaster by Gillian Cross; Russell Smith selected it as his Fantasy Book Swap choice.
Jennifer Killick was a guest on the fantastic podcast about children’s books, The Island of Brilliant.
I am not a shill for The Phoenix Comic, I promise.
Catch up with Catriona via her website, https://catrionasilvey.com/index.html

Sunday Dec 01, 2024
Ep 42: Pirates and Mermaids and Witches with Ida Keogh
Sunday Dec 01, 2024
Sunday Dec 01, 2024
Ida’s choice: The Man whose Mother was a Pirate by Margaret Mahy
Ali’s choice: The Mermaid, the Witch and the Sea by Maggie Tokuda-Hall. The sequel has just been published: The Siren, the Song and the Spy
Ida had a different edition from mine
Other books we mention in this episode:
The Adventures of Amina Al-Sirafi by Shannon Chakraborty
The Little Mermaid by Hans Christian Andersen
Ida’s award-winning short story Infinite Tea in the Demerara Café is in the NewCon Press anthology London Centric
Her novella Fish!
Ida has a story in the anthology Laughs in Space.

Saturday Oct 26, 2024
Ep 41: Narnia Business with Katie Bruce
Saturday Oct 26, 2024
Saturday Oct 26, 2024
Katie’s choice: C.S. Lewis’s The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe.
Ali’s choice: David A. Robertson’s The Barren Grounds
Katie is just back from FantasyCon! Next year Brighton hosts World FantasyCon 2025; come and join us!
Neil Gaiman’s short story is called ‘The Problem of Susan’ and is in the collection Fragile Things (it is of course entirely up to you whether or not you wish to support Gaiman’s work by buying it new or second hand.)
Katie couldn’t continue with Robin Hobb’s Soldiers Sons trilogy because the food descriptions brought on morning sickness
Fiona Moore’s blog, where she cooks from SFF cook books so we don’t have to!
Lovely Gili Bar-Hillel introduced me to this brilliant piece of fan fic where Anthony Bourdain reviews Narnian hospitality. Read it, it’s perfect! https://archiveofourown.org/works/137185
The BBC 1988 adaptation of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
Trailer for Greta Gerwig’s adaptation
Tilda Swinton’s White Witch tempts Edmund
I delivered a paper on orientalism in the Chronicles of Narnia at a Historical Fictions Network conference. You can read it here
Scottish bannock recipe. Canadian First Nations Bannocks were adapted from Scottish recipes. I have not found a bison chili recipe; I assume that you first catch your bison.
Find Katie online
@Katiebruce.bsky.social on BlueSky
@Katiebrucecake on Instagram
I was a guest on Steve Vapour Trail’s radio show many moons ago with a selection of fantasy and science fiction-themed music. Enjoy the playlist here. Thank you to Danny for the idents, and to Jack Sadler-Johnson for the use of his beautiful track Bliss.

Wednesday Oct 16, 2024
Ep 40 Mansfield Park in Space with Una McCormack
Wednesday Oct 16, 2024
Wednesday Oct 16, 2024
In today's episode I'm joined by Una McCormack, New York Times best-selling author and member of Gold SF editorial board.
Una’s choice: Lucy M Boston’s The Children of Green Knowe . This is the Puffin edition Una has. The 70th anniversary edition is available from Hemingford Grey shop.
Ali’s choice: Pádraig Kenny’s The Monsters of Rookhaven
Una mentions Tom’s Midnight Garden. You can listen to Episode 25 with Tony Keen, where we discuss the book here.
Books mentioned in this episode:
- Rebecca by Daphne du Maurier
- Jane Eyre by Charlotte Brontë
- Mansfield Park by Jane Austen
- The Spire by William Golding
- Red Shift by Alan Garner
- The Spare Man by Mary Robinette Kowal
- Meg and Mog by Helen Nicoll, illus Jan Pienkowski
- Thornhill by Pam Smy
- Isadora Moon by Helen Muncaster
- Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell by Susanna Clarke
- Earthsea and Annals of the Western Shore by Ursula Le Guin
- Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander
Authors mentioned in this episode:
- Catherine Cookson, who is still in print
- Helen Forrester
Una’s most recent book: Doctor Who: Caged
Follow Una on Bluesky @unamccormack.bsky.social
Thanks as always to Steve Vapour Trails. Check out his radio show on Radio Lewes here! Thank you to Danny for the fresh new idents, and to Jack Sadler-Johnson for the use of his beautiful track Bliss.
